{"id":303,"date":"2016-10-16T15:22:50","date_gmt":"2016-10-16T13:22:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ancestorssite.wordpress.com\/?page_id=303"},"modified":"2021-10-05T08:40:19","modified_gmt":"2021-10-05T07:40:19","slug":"oakta-vallonblod","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/index.php\/oakta-vallonblod\/","title":{"rendered":"O\u00e4kta Vallonblod"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Liksom Anna Lovisa Grell, s\u00e5 visar sig <a rel=\"noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/person.ancestry.se\/tree\/103455658\/person\/260028290081\/story\" target=\"_blank\">Johan Carl Grell<\/a>:s (se \u00e4ven <a href=\"https:\/\/webtrees.ancestorssite.com\/index.php?route=%2Ftree%2Fjptree%2Findividual%2FI837%2FJohan-Carl-Grall#tab-tree\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Webtrees<\/a>) ursprung vara en utmaning att f\u00f6rs\u00f6ka reda ut.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Innan giftet med Stina Persdotter 1813, s\u00e5 hittar vi honom p\u00e5 Kulla, Krokek d\u00e4r han uppenbart \u00e4r &#8221;postgosse&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone is-resized size-full wp-image-308 is-style-zoooom\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/postgossen.png\" alt=\"postgossen\" class=\"wp-image-308\" width=\"1426\" height=\"59\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/postgossen.png 1426w, https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/postgossen-300x12.png 300w, https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/postgossen-1024x42.png 1024w, https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/postgossen-768x32.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1426px) 100vw, 1426px\" \/><figcaption>Krokek AI:2a (1806-1815) Bild 134 \/ sid 250 (AID: v24778.b134.s250, NAD: SE\/VALA\/00191)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Noterbart \u00e4r att han \u00e4r postgosse p\u00e5 Kulla d\u00e4r en Christian Ulric Grill f\u00f6dd 1777 \u00e4r brukspatron. Denne Christian Ulric Grill tycks ha kommit fr\u00e5n Godeg\u00e5rds herrg\u00e5rd 1811. Mycket riktigt hittar man d\u00e4r en o\u00e4kta gosse Jaen Carl Grell, nu med 1793 som f\u00f6delse\u00e5r. Intressant nog tycks viss os\u00e4kerhet r\u00e5da s\u00e5v\u00e4l i kyrboken fr\u00e5n Krokek och motsvarande i Godeg\u00e5rd ett par \u00e5r tidigare:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone is-resized size-full wp-image-311 is-style-zoooom\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/jaencarl.png\" alt=\"JaenCarl.png\" class=\"wp-image-311\" width=\"930\" height=\"52\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/jaencarl.png 930w, https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/jaencarl-300x17.png 300w, https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/jaencarl-768x43.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 930px) 100vw, 930px\" \/><figcaption>Godeg\u00e5rd AI:4 (1799-1806) Bild 13 \/ sid 9 (AID: v25531.b13.s9, NAD: SE\/VALA\/00101)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"> En m\u00e4ngd fr\u00e5gor hopar sig: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Varf\u00f6r \u00e4r denne gosse ensam utan sin mor i b\u00f6rjan p\u00e5 1800-talet, blott 8-9 \u00e5r gammal? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Var kommer namnet Grell av? Varf\u00f6r st\u00e5r han som&nbsp;<strong>Jonsson<\/strong>&nbsp;och varf\u00f6r \u00e4r det namnet \u00f6verstruket? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Varf\u00f6r denna os\u00e4kerhet kring f\u00f6delse\u00e5r? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Det r\u00e4tt ovanliga namnet Johan Carl som dessutom \u00e4r o\u00e4kta borde v\u00e4l \u00e4nd\u00e5 vara l\u00e4tt att hitta och mycket riktigt. Den 20 mars 1793 f\u00f6ds en o\u00e4kta Jaen Carl:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/jaencarlfc3b6ds.png\" alt=\"jaencarlfods\" class=\"wp-image-320\" width=\"855\" height=\"169\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/jaencarlfc3b6ds.png 855w, https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/jaencarlfc3b6ds-300x59.png 300w, https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/jaencarlfc3b6ds-768x152.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 855px) 100vw, 855px\" \/><figcaption>Godeg\u00e5rd (E) C:3 (1749-1798) Bild 240 \/ sid 469 (AID: v33071.b240.s469, NAD: SE\/VALA\/00101)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Det skulle allts\u00e5 vara en Caisa M\u00e5nsdotter&nbsp;fr\u00e5n Holmsj\u00f6torp som f\u00f6der denna Jaen\/Johan Carl. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\n\nMed hj\u00e4lp fr\u00e5n annan sl\u00e4ktforskare (tack Britt-Marie Waller) hittade vi nu&nbsp;ytterligare pusselbit i f\u00f6ljande:\n\n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone is-resized size-full wp-image-324\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/straffadgrell.png\" alt=\"straffadgrell\" class=\"wp-image-324\" width=\"982\" height=\"127\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/straffadgrell.png 982w, https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/straffadgrell-300x39.png 300w, https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/straffadgrell-768x99.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 982px) 100vw, 982px\" \/><figcaption>H\u00e4llestad och Tj\u00e4llmo tingslag AI:44 (1793-1795) Bild 185 \/ sid 357 (AID: v38142.b185.s357, NAD: SE\/VALA\/01547)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><span style=\"color:#0000ff;\"><i>&#8221;..f\u00f6r 2:dra resan beg\u00e5nget <\/i><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/sv.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/L%C3%A4gersm%C3%A5l\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"color:#0000ff;\"><i>l\u00e4gersm\u00e5l<\/i><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color:#0000ff;\"><i> skall pigan Cajsa M\u00e5nsdotter i Holms(j\u00f6)torpet som ej har n\u00e5got att b\u00f6ta med, underg\u00e5 Fjorton \/:14:\/ dagars f\u00e4ngelse p\u00e5 Link\u00f6pings Slott, samt erl\u00e4gga till Godeg\u00e5rds kyrka 32 &#8230;eller them med arbete aftjena&#8230;&#8221;<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I det refererade f\u00f6rh\u00f6ret ges mer information som kanske &#8221;syr ihop s\u00e4cken&#8221;: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone is-resized size-full wp-image-328 is-style-zoooom\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/grellcj6.jpg\" alt=\"grellcj6\" class=\"wp-image-328\" width=\"471\" height=\"730\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/grellcj6.jpg 471w, https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/grellcj6-194x300.jpg 194w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 471px) 100vw, 471px\" \/><figcaption>H\u00e4llestad och Tj\u00e4llmo tingslag AI:44 (1793-1795) Bild 87 \/ sid 167 (AID: v38142.b87.s167, NAD: SE\/VALA\/01547) (Klicka p\u00e5 bild f\u00f6r f\u00f6rstoring)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><i>&#8221;F\u00f6r beg\u00e5nget l\u00e4gersm\u00e5l och barn aflande tiltalar Commissarien och krono L\u00e4nsmannen W\u00e4lbetrodde Johan Wiman Carlsson, pigan Cajsa M\u00e5nsdotter och dr\u00e4ngen Johan Andersson i Holmstorpet och Godeg\u00e5rds socken. N\u00e4r m\u00e5let upropas inst\u00e4lte sig jemte \u00c5klagaren f\u00f6rrut n\u00e4mde anklagade, d\u00e5 Cajsa ber\u00e4ttar at hon i Torpet Holmsj\u00f6hult p\u00e5 Fnasby fr\u00e4lsehemmans \u00e4gor, blifwit af Johan med barn r\u00e5dd, hwilket hon f\u00f6r 9 weckor sedan framf\u00f6dt och skall detta wara hennes andra f\u00f6rseelse. S:de dr\u00e4ngen nekar helt och h\u00e5llit til angifvelsen och &#8230;therom barnet, hwilket s\u00e5 w\u00e4l \u00c5klagaren som Cajsa fr\u00e5gar sig icke kunna, f\u00f6r skaffa och anm\u00e4ler Cajsa sig ej hafwa &#8230;.til b\u00f6ters g\u00e4ldande.<\/i><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Utslag: <em>Emedan pigan Cajsa M\u00e5nsdotter i Holmstorpet \u00e4rki\u00e4nt sig hafwa andra resan beg\u00e5nget l\u00e4gersm\u00e5l och barna aflande, blifwit tiltalad som sig skall tildragit p\u00e5 Fnasby fr\u00e4lsehemmans \u00e4gor, Ty och jemlikt LIII Cap 38 M&#8230;..h\u00e4rads R\u00e4ttens pr\u00f6fwar? sk\u00e4ligt &#8230;Cajsa ej har tilg\u00e5ng til b\u00f6ters g\u00e4ldande&#8230;.., henne f\u00f6r thetta thess andra resa beg\u00e5ngna l\u00e4gersm\u00e5lsbrott, Fjorton 14 dagars f\u00e4ngelse p\u00e5 Link\u00f6pings Slott: &#8230;.hon thess utom til Godeg\u00e5rds kyrka hwar\u00e4st hon skall hemlig skrift och aflossning underg\u00e5, betala 32 .., eller them med arbete aftjena.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Hwad dr\u00e4ngen Johan Andersson ang\u00e5r friar h\u00e4rads R\u00e4tten sk\u00e4ligt til f\u00f6lje af XVII Cap 33 &#8230;.d\u00e5 han ej p\u00e5 minsta s\u00e4tt blifwit bevist att hafwa deltagit i Cajsas brott, fr\u00e5n thenna angifvelse befriad.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"499\" src=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/800px-lkpgslott-e.jpg\" alt=\"800px-lkpgslott-e\" class=\"wp-image-337\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/800px-lkpgslott-e.jpg 800w, https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/800px-lkpgslott-e-300x187.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/800px-lkpgslott-e-768x479.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ovanst\u00e5ende \u00e4r ju hemskt. Uppenbart gick denne Johan Andersson fri, medan stackars Cajsa, f\u00f6rutom skammen,&nbsp;hamnade p\u00e5 Link\u00f6pings Slott (l\u00e4s&nbsp;om Link\u00f6pings Slott via <a href=\"http:\/\/sv.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Link%C3%B6pings_slott\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\"><span style=\"color:#0066cc;\">l\u00e4nk<\/span><\/a>)&nbsp;som straff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dock ger det ocks\u00e5 kvarvarande pusselbitar.&nbsp;Det som&nbsp;d\u00e5 entydigt pekar p\u00e5 vem som \u00e4r fader: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Det \u00f6verstrukna efternamnet Jansson\/Jonsson p\u00e5 gossen Johan Carl Grell, som pekar p\u00e5 denne Johan Andersson.<\/li><li>Det finns en Johan Hindric p\u00e5 Holmsj\u00f6torp f\u00f6dd 1777, allts\u00e5 blott 15-16 \u00e5r vid tiden, men son till en Andreas Grell. Detta kan d\u00e5 dels f\u00f6rklara namnet Johan&nbsp;<strong>Anders<\/strong>son i f\u00f6rh\u00f6ret ovan. Han var ju Anders\/Andreas son. Vidare faller ocks\u00e5 namnet Grell p\u00e5 plats. Om det var han som var fader, s\u00e5 f\u00f6rst\u00e5r man att de kanske inte motsatte sig att Johan Carl tog sig \/ fick namnet Grell.<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Min bed\u00f6mning \u00e4r att vi med mycket stor sannolikhet kan s\u00e4ga att Johan Hindrik Andersson\/Grell \u00e4r fader till v\u00e5r Johan Carl Grell och d\u00e4rmed b\u00f6r detta sl\u00e4ktled kunna leda vidare, se&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.genvagar.nu\/show.asp?PersonId=57183\" target=\"_blank\">l\u00e4nk<\/a>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Fler ledtr\u00e5dar<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jag uppt\u00e4ckte 2019-08-29 en DNA-tr\u00e4ff med blott 7cM delat DNA, men den som l\u00e4mnat DNA har en Clara Grell i sina anor, som d\u00e5 visar sig vara ett barnbarn till den Johan Andersson Grell som misstankarna ligger p\u00e5.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Fr\u00e5gan \u00e4r om inte detta summerar upp till en kedja indicier som tillsammans n\u00e4stan utg\u00f6r bevis?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Liksom Anna Lovisa Grell, s\u00e5 visar sig Johan Carl Grell:s (se \u00e4ven Webtrees) ursprung vara en utmaning att f\u00f6rs\u00f6ka reda ut. Innan giftet med Stina Persdotter 1813, s\u00e5 hittar vi honom p\u00e5 Kulla, Krokek d\u00e4r han uppenbart \u00e4r &#8221;postgosse&#8221;. Noterbart \u00e4r att han \u00e4r postgosse p\u00e5 Kulla d\u00e4r en Christian Ulric Grill f\u00f6dd 1777 \u00e4r brukspatron. Denne Christian Ulric Grill tycks ha kommit fr\u00e5n Godeg\u00e5rds herrg\u00e5rd 1811. Mycket riktigt hittar man d\u00e4r en o\u00e4kta gosse Jaen Carl Grell, nu med&#8230;<\/p>\n<p class=\"read-more\"><a class=\"btn btn-default\" href=\"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/index.php\/oakta-vallonblod\/\">L\u00e4s mer<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> L\u00e4s mer<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_lmt_disableupdate":"no","_lmt_disable":"no","footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-303","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/303","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=303"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/303\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1173,"href":"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/303\/revisions\/1173"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=303"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=303"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ancestorssite.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=303"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}